5,6,7,8 who do we appreciate?
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Okay I give up: why is MM counting to 8?
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¶ Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 - 00:09:29
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¶ Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 - 00:34:22
Originally posted by David Alexander
In Tarot 8 is the number of The Justice which means to make justice to all and ourselves, be fair but not trying to be perfect, also means a powerful (positive or not) woman or mother in our life.
And, as you all know, also is the number of the new album :P
Or it refers to the 8 directions, kinda like your avatar or so...
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¶ Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 - 06:20:02
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
all good children go to heaven
gulp.
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¶ Saturday, February 20th, 2010 - 17:41:51
Originally posted by Alison
Because 8 is MY number & he's talking to ME!
Yeah, I don't know, but 8 is one of my numbers. I didn't even notice.
Ha! Lol love that . Alison =Win
"Fear not the shadows that conceal, when it is the light that reveals."
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¶ Sunday, February 21st, 2010 - 02:39:39
Dear OP
As a musician myself I'm inclined to think that the most logical answer to saying things 8x is because most MM tunes are in 4/4 time signature and pop format/accessibility mandates repetition (the rhythm section is likely played twice on an 8 count chorus line [4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.]).
Asking this question would be about as functional as asking why he would say something 3 or 6x on a song with 3/4 time sig.
Granted it's Manson though and he's all kinds of wrapped up in numerology and has something to say about everything so he might have a longer more artistic sounding response based in some fantastical notions if he answered high and on camera, but if you asked him off camera after a beer he'd probably tell you it's because the song is in 4/4 or maybe he'd have a sense of humor and say something ridiculous just to fuck with people that don't know any better. I would.
Some people through around some conspiracy theories about $cientology, the letter "H" and the SS, and that sounds like something Manson would say if you're looking for that numerology type stuff, but personally I'm inclined to think numerology is bullshit and here's why:
If you have an open set you have contradictory axioms by the very nature of it, which means you can extrapolate ANYTHING. What that means in less scientific terms is that if you look for patterns in nature you WILL find them, but that doesn't functionally amount to shit and if you think it does you should probably put on a tinfoil hat to make sure the government/aliens/cryogenicly frozen head of Walt Disney can't read your brainwaves. Jumping down that hole puts you in the same boat as the chemtrails and 9/11 truthers and if that's something you're comfortable with, go for it, just don't forget to take your meds for the sake of the rest of us firmly rooted in a more pragmatic world-view.
For best results, ask the man himself what the counting means.
He's pretty good about having meaningful lyrics, but you gotta remember that half the time the artist themself doesn't even know what the hell they are writing as they write it, let alone how the track is going to sound. Knowing what it means might not even be significant until 3 months after you finish your own record and have some distance between you and it so you can reflect. Further, the meaning might evolve over time as the artist does.
What's important is not what it means to Manson, or to me, or anyone else, but what it means to you/how it makes you feel. If you think it means something special to you, then it does, even if it's only just to you.
Just my two cents.
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III° - The Desolation of God, The Left Hand¶ Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 - 22:23:29perhaps------- track 8 on the high end of low is "i want to kill you like they do in the movies" which i think represent the whole album. maybe, possibly, just my theory.
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X° - Duality in God¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 00:15:35Originally posted by A kLoKwErK kAoS
Dear OP
As a musician myself I'm inclined to think that the most logical answer to saying things 8x is because most MM tunes are in 4/4 time signature and pop format/accessibility mandates repetition (the rhythm section is likely played twice on an 8 count chorus line [4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.]).
Asking this question would be about as functional as asking why he would say something 3 or 6x on a song with 3/4 time sig.
Granted it's Manson though and he's all kinds of wrapped up in numerology and has something to say about everything so he might have a longer more artistic sounding response based in some fantastical notions if he answered high and on camera, but if you asked him off camera after a beer he'd probably tell you it's because the song is in 4/4 or maybe he'd have a sense of humor and say something ridiculous just to fuck with people that don't know any better. I would.
Some people through around some conspiracy theories about $cientology, the letter "H" and the SS, and that sounds like something Manson would say if you're looking for that numerology type stuff, but personally I'm inclined to think numerology is bullshit and here's why:
If you have an open set you have contradictory axioms by the very nature of it, which means you can extrapolate ANYTHING. What that means in less scientific terms is that if you look for patterns in nature you WILL find them, but that doesn't functionally amount to shit and if you think it does you should probably put on a tinfoil hat to make sure the government/aliens/cryogenicly frozen head of Walt Disney can't read your brainwaves. Jumping down that hole puts you in the same boat as the chemtrails and 9/11 truthers and if that's something you're comfortable with, go for it, just don't forget to take your meds for the sake of the rest of us firmly rooted in a more pragmatic world-view.
For best results, ask the man himself what the counting means.
He's pretty good about having meaningful lyrics, but you gotta remember that half the time the artist themself doesn't even know what the hell they are writing as they write it, let alone how the track is going to sound. Knowing what it means might not even be significant until 3 months after you finish your own record and have some distance between you and it so you can reflect. Further, the meaning might evolve over time as the artist does.
What's important is not what it means to Manson, or to me, or anyone else, but what it means to you/how it makes you feel. If you think it means something special to you, then it does, even if it's only just to you.
Just my two cents.
AKK
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Sounds absolutely right to me.
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¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 00:33:32
Originally posted by Oedepus
Just my two cents.
AKK
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Sounds absolutely right to me.
I disagree. This point
On the official MM website if you hang around listening to the noises it plays, there comes on an electronic voice counting in German to eight.
has not been addressed and I hold it to be essential above all.
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X° - Duality in God¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 01:57:51Originally posted by FON
Originally posted by Oedepus
Just my two cents.
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Sounds absolutely right to me.
I disagree. This point
On the official MM website if you hang around listening to the noises it plays, there comes on an electronic voice counting in German to eight.
has not been addressed and I hold it to be essential above all.
The counting on the website is not something that Manson created as -<me>- and myself addressed in the Analysis of MM.com 2009, It is from Number stations "Swedish Rhapsody"
As far as Eight goes "When 7 are 1" Could be interpreted as 7 parts to 1 whole, Eight being the culmination of all. 8 is the symbol for the cosmic christ, or Adam returning to the divine form after the completion of a cycle. It is interesting to note that 8 sideways is the infinity symbol, May I remind you all that the next album is the EIGHTH studio album....
Note the alchemical metals and thus their elemental properties.
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¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 05:08:44
Thanks [god]speed, can you believe these people?
He's repeating "cut" and "wow" on the album 8 times in a row and put a sample on the website of a robot girl counting to 8 because 4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.
Do these people come to the Analysis section because they want to think or because they want you and me to stop doing research?
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¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 11:32:39
Originally posted by FON
Thanks [god]speed, can you believe these people?
He's repeating "cut" and "wow" on the album 8 times in a row and put a sample on the website of a robot girl counting to 8 because 4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.
Do these people come to the Analysis section because they want to think or because they want you and me to stop doing research?
A.K.K is not saying he’s repeating “cut” and “wow” merely because 4 goes into 8 two times. I think what he’s saying is that the words are actually being repeated 4 times twice because of the time signature of the songs. [god]speed was also referring to the time signature when he said the repetition was because there are 8 beats to a bar of music; although I’m going to go with what A.K.K said about there being 4.
In regards to the number station, I doubt the numbers themselves have any relevance to Manson, I mean I doubt that he chose this particular clip because the counting stops at eight. I do however wonder if the relevance is in the concept of number stations in general. They’re certainly interesting.
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¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 11:50:41
Originally posted by FON
Thanks [god]speed, can you believe these people?
He's repeating "cut" and "wow" on the album 8 times in a row and put a sample on the website of a robot girl counting to 8 because 4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.
Do these people come to the Analysis section because they want to think or because they want you and me to stop doing research?
Yes, I'm sure you can scrounge up some far-fetched, esoteric meaning but in the end its all about the song structure.
Songs repeat things a certain number of times to compliment the rythm/beat of the song.
If the song has a four bar beat then obviously he's gonna repeat something sets of 4s, or else it would sound off. Hell, you prove yourself that he's not always counting to 8. On "You and Me & The Devil Makes 3" he's only counting and making grunts in 3s. In Disposable Teens the "Yeah"s come in sets of 3s. The "Ah"s in The Beautiful People come in 2s, the "La"s in Rock in Dead and the "No"s in Wight Spider both come in 5s and he counts to 3 in Apple of Sodom. Its all fairly arbitrary and serves no real purpose aside from being a catchy vocal hook.
While you're at it, you might as well be asking why most verses contain an even number of lines or why choruses tend to be repeated twice. Its all structural.
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X° - Duality in God¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 11:57:39Originally posted by lagozzino
Originally posted by FON
Thanks [god]speed, can you believe these people?
He's repeating "cut" and "wow" on the album 8 times in a row and put a sample on the website of a robot girl counting to 8 because 4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.
Do these people come to the Analysis section because they want to think or because they want you and me to stop doing research?
Yes, I'm sure you can scrounge up some far-fetched, esoteric meaning but in the end its all about the song structure.
Songs repeat things a certain number of times to compliment the rythm/beat of the song.
If the song has a four bar beat then obviously he's gonna repeat something sets of 4s, or else it would sound off. Hell, you prove yourself that he's not always counting to 8. On "You and Me & The Devil Makes 3" he's only counting and making grunts in 3s. In Disposable Teens the "Yeah"s come in sets of 3s. The "Ah"s in The Beautiful People come in 2s, the "La"s in Rock in Dead and the "No"s in Wight Spider both come in 5s and he counts to 3 in Apple of Sodom. Its all fairly arbitrary and serves no real purpose aside from being a catchy vocal hook.
While you're at it, you might as well be asking why most verses contain an even number of lines or why choruses tend to be repeated twice. Its all structural.
I definitely agree that it is song structure. And yes i love digging into the esoteric as well, but in the end I believe as i mentioned earlier in the thread that it is song structure. But what I was trying to get at was, the reasoning why 8 is a natural number and naturally harmonious which is why it is used in song structure and this stems back into when the first songs were played, in ancient times.
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¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 12:31:57
I made a thread with a idea about the number 8
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/babalon/topic/1677--the-8-and-wight-spider-
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X° - Duality in God¶ Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 13:00:34Originally posted by FON
Thanks [god]speed, can you believe these people?
He's repeating "cut" and "wow" on the album 8 times in a row and put a sample on the website of a robot girl counting to 8 because 4 goes into 8 2x, basic math, etc.
Do these people come to the Analysis section because they want to think or because they want you and me to stop doing research?
I have made a fair share of contribution to this section, specially in regards to paintings, which are my favorite subject of analysis. not agreeing with your research doesn't mean I completely disregard this section of the forum. I just don't think every single thing Manson does has an obscure, calculated and alchemical meaning behind it.
Do you have a deep, insightful analysis of why is Manson eating a cheeseburger at the airport on Mtv diary? because I'd love to read that.
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