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  1. DJNX
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    Samael
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    Monday, February 8th, 2010 - 17:55:23
    Originally posted by LunaticNapolean
    Originally posted by Babel

    I never said record companies own ALL radio stations, or even a few.  

     

    Anyway, talking to you is like talking to a four year old so I'm done.  

    continue to contradict yourself since you noticed you were losing

    By all means the ignorant one is you. You don't know the difference between public broadcasting and commercial broadcasting. The fact that you've never heard of Payola, or for some weird reason, don't want to admit its existence. It is laughable that you think you are "winning" the argument.

  2. redtastesweet
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    Thagirion
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    Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 - 11:04:59

    Promoters pay for venue slots. Not bands. Managers work with Promoters, not bands. Radio stations receive huge amounts of kick backs, generally in two ways, 1 is for listing their song in their COUNTDOWN and two is for playing the artists song, near and close, to the local concert dates. Live Nation & CellarDoor/Ticketmaster own almost 90% of the venues, which is sad because their parent company is CLEAR CHANNEL. Do you see how this works? Infinity Radio & Clear Channel have a parent company as well, they are called NEW MEDIA INC. & VIACOM INTERNATIONAL. Again, so here we have it, the entire system of promoting music is all singularly or plurally owned. 

     

    There is almost nothing an artist can do in the modern world to be successful, without playing the game. The game can start in two ways, Independent DJS, play ur song in DA CLUB. You sell, UPC code marked, CDs in ur club. Ur CD "Scans" in 10,000 sales, and then "charts". And then you are swooped up by Record Company (BMG, Virgin, Sony) or there is another way.

     

    You can go Manson's route, where he had A&R reps, like Trent Reznor, who produced, molded, and promoted the bands sound. All the way up until he was a commercially viable name & sound. 

     

    So splitting with Interscope leaves you in a limbo, for success. Where you can and will be played, in places like, Online Radio Stations, ROFLMAO, or corporate/but/easier to get on rotation/places like XM/Sirius (one company again). You might get your picture in LA Weekly as an unsigned artist. You might date someone popular like Lindsay Lohan, and be another Samantha Ronson, we have tons of unsigned examples, K Fed, unsigned, Paula Abdul, unsigned, Boy George, unsigned. 

     

    You will have to rely heavily on your cult status in order to make ends meat. Which no doubt Manson can, if he stops pissing his fans off! 

     

    By and by this spells win for everyone, cause now Manson can no longer continue being the Diva asshole towards his fans. 

     

     

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    Gamaliel
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    Tuesday, February 9th, 2010 - 17:27:54

    Everything you say is true.  Promoters pay for venue slots but the promoters need to be payed.  I could be wrong but I think it works the same way as album sales.  The bands don't make money off concerts until the promoters are paid.  Or does the record company pay the promoters? 

     

    Manson has a lot of work to do to maintain his career without a record company.  He has to find a clever way to market himself.  He will also need to hire a team to help him.  These decisions that he will be making in the next year could make or break his career.  I know Trent makes it look easy but I'm sure it is not.  Manson is lucky enough though to haue a "built in" fan base, therefore anything he puts out is guaranteed to sell x amount of product.  But that's not enough if he wants to haue a long career.  He needs to find a way where he can do what he wants without a record company, keep his fan base and of course make new fans.  It won't be easy for him. 

     

    I am 100% confident that Manson has the intelligence to do something amazingly innovative at this point in his career.  I just hope he has the will power and work ethic to get it done. 

  4. 1-Omēga-5
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    Samael
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    Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 - 21:53:01

    but wait......... doesn't this mean that Manson will have less money to make videos,cds,merch....etc..?

     

     

  5. JohnnyScar
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    Thamiel
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    Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 - 21:54:42
    Originally posted by 1-Omēga-5

    but wait......... doesn't this mean that Manson will have less money to make videos,cds,merch....etc..?

    Trent Reznor and Radiohead did fine without a label sort of funding them.

  6. 1-Omēga-5
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    Samael
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    Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 - 22:01:55
    Originally posted by JohnnyScar
    Originally posted by 1-Omēga-5

    but wait......... doesn't this mean that Manson will have less money to make videos,cds,merch....etc..?

    Trent Reznor and Radiohead did fine without a label sort of funding them.

     but will manson be able to be promoted like on tv or radio or posters or someling like that?

    because i haven't seen him on tv or heard him on the radio lately.

     

     

  7. Alison
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    Thamiel
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    Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 - 22:09:26

    When has Manson not done his best PR on his own? He'll be fine.

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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 08:02:14
    Originally posted by Alison

    When has Manson not done his best PR on his own? He'll be fine.

    While promoting The High End of Low?  That was pretty poor PR.  People want to feel like an artist has something of social or personal relevance to say.  "Look guys, I'm a cutter" and violent fantasies are not exactly the types of things people want to hear about from an artist in their 40s.

    "Be Yourself" is just about the worst advice you can give some people. - Tom Masson

     "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

    "Nothing tastes better than the embarrassment of those so sure that you would fail." - Marilyn Manson

  9. arkahno
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 12:08:21

     

    I was thinking about this topic ...

     

    Remember when manson told in his book "the long hard road out of hell" that he was sure of wanted be expulsed from the christian school and he just made all the horribles thinks that he cuold think for being expulsed?

     

    I think that was what happened with manson in the last tour and last promotion, he just screwd up all the promotion and tour acting like he was too drunk to make sure that interscope doesn't wanted to work with him and his band.

     

     

     

  10. LunaticNapolean
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 12:53:43
    Originally posted by arkahno

     

    I was thinking about this topic ...

     

    Remember when manson told in his book "the long hard road out of hell" that he was sure of wanted be expulsed from the christian school and he just made all the horribles thinks that he cuold think for being expulsed?

     

    I think that was what happened with manson in the last tour and last promotion, he just screwd up all the promotion and tour acting like he was too drunk to make sure that interscope doesn't wanted to work with him and his band.

     

     

    nice try but no.

     

  11. Alison
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    Thamiel
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 13:00:26
    Originally posted by Lydia
    Originally posted by Alison

    When has Manson not done his best PR on his own? He'll be fine.

    While promoting The High End of Low?  That was pretty poor PR.  People want to feel like an artist has something of social or personal relevance to say.  "Look guys, I'm a cutter" and violent fantasies are not exactly the types of things people want to hear about from an artist in their 40s.

    What he talks about is irrelevant. It got plenty of other people talking, even if it was negatively, which makes even more people curious. I would personally rather hear him say something inane than read yet another article that begins with "King of Shock Rock…" Zzz… All he has to do is say one nutty thing & it's flies on shit.

  12. FourRustedHorse
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    Thamiel
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 19:11:13
    Originally posted by arkahno

     

    I was thinking about this topic ...

     

    Remember when manson told in his book "the long hard road out of hell" that he was sure of wanted be expulsed from the christian school and he just made all the horribles thinks that he cuold think for being expulsed?

     

    I think that was what happened with manson in the last tour and last promotion, he just screwd up all the promotion and tour acting like he was too drunk to make sure that interscope doesn't wanted to work with him and his band.

     

     

     

    I wish that was what really happened.

    I'm above deceivers, riding my collapsing monument.
  13. Lydia
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 21:06:06
    Originally posted by Alison
    Originally posted by Lydia

    While promoting The High End of Low?  That was pretty poor PR.  People want to feel like an artist has something of social or personal relevance to say.  "Look guys, I'm a cutter" and violent fantasies are not exactly the types of things people want to hear about from an artist in their 40s.

    What he talks about is irrelevant. It got plenty of other people talking, even if it was negatively, which makes even more people curious. I would personally rather hear him say something inane than read yet another article that begins with "King of Shock Rock…" Zzz… All he has to do is say one nutty thing & it's flies on shit.

    Not really.  That promo work didn't get bums in seats, records sold or radio airplay.  He is intellectually capable of doing a much better job than what he did on that press tour.

    "Be Yourself" is just about the worst advice you can give some people. - Tom Masson

     "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

    "Nothing tastes better than the embarrassment of those so sure that you would fail." - Marilyn Manson

  14. me_andre
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    Samael
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    Thursday, March 4th, 2010 - 21:19:17
    Originally posted by FourRustedHorse
    Originally posted by arkahno

     

    I was thinking about this topic ...

     

    Remember when manson told in his book "the long hard road out of hell" that he was sure of wanted be expulsed from the christian school and he just made all the horribles thinks that he cuold think for being expulsed?

     

    I think that was what happened with manson in the last tour and last promotion, he just screwd up all the promotion and tour acting like he was too drunk to make sure that interscope doesn't wanted to work with him and his band.

     

     

     

    I wish that was what really happened.

    I have been thinking the same thing. That or he wanted to do the whole fucked-up-rock-star thing to get som PR and have some fun. (Also he is really inspired by Jim Morrison) I don't think he was just fucked up... He was to fucked up to be 'just fucked up.' I've seen footage of him pretending to not remember the lyrics of 'rock is dead'. I think Manson is more fucked up than what he wants to be, but the start of this 'era' sure was planned. Do I really have to find 'evidence'? I guess I'll have to...

     

     

     

     

     

     

  15. LunaticNapolean
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    Saturday, March 6th, 2010 - 16:55:48

    THE WHOLE ALBUM WAS A "MOVIE". get it through your mind then you'll understand it all. he's told you himself, do you need it slapped to you and laid infront of you scene-by-scene? the high end of low was fake. if anything, it seems more like EATMEDRINKME in a violent temper instead of a "WOO IS MEE MY HEART IS BROKENED!" that's all. just a redo. a retry. a remake. just with a different mood on the whole situation that went out. open your eyes and you'll see it.

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