Originally posted by Favenris
You said you were looking for a religion... why not worship yourself and read religious texts of all kind and extract that which is gold for you and ignore the rest?
Well said my friend.
I think the most important thing to realize is that we are all god, quite litterally.
I don't know where any type of "Worship" would be benificial. Unless you are worshiping a fat cock then it's all worth it, but I digress
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by Favenris
No problem, but these metaphors and stuff can be a bit confusing. For me, worshiping myself is by taking care of myself and the people that I love. That's all. No divine existence or any of that spiritual crap. :D
i do tend to take things litterally. "worship" was one.
but yeah. i aggree. you live only once. look to your own survival first (which is one of the "satanic" "guidelines" also, haha)
i often wonder tho, how would wars work, if everyone was an atheist? how many would be willing to throw themselves head first into danger and death, if no afterlife awaited them? theres NO fucking way im sacrificing myself for anybody or anything. i'd rather live on in total post-apocallyptic mayhem, than sacrifice myself to stop it.
I think in some ways you're right, but if no one believed in more than this then humanity would be highly depressed. Religion could be a form of survival mechanism...
it sure is.
the vast majority of people abhor complexity. reality is complex. religion is simple.
how do you explain how earth came to be, in a scientific way?
youll spend hours explaining the details.
through religion? "it came to be!"
people prefer the short version. and i dont mean just stories and explanations, but things such as afterlife, fate and so on.
and i know some religions are comparatively complex, but they fade in comparison to chemistry and physics whatever religion one pick to compare.
religions were vital to humanity in the past, because it constituted the only knowledge we had about our universe. now that we know the real universe, we're stuck w the ancient knowledge right behind the new. and its unavoidable by nature.
i even imagine that atheism and "rationalism" could vanish completely again, humans arent "headed" anywhere, nothing is planned, for all we know, all the science we have gathered will one day be considered heresy. i read that many places in usa its allready considered "risky" to be an atheist, to be rational, cus people will shun you.
I think that the last statement could go both ways. If you could prove something supernatural or paranormal then others would call you lunatic or highly criticize you...it's almost as if the people with nothing to prove are the ones who get credit. Like Sylvia Browne. It's made to be obviously fake...if it was believed to be true she'd be questioned. We think it doesn't happen today but I think there is a lot of religious pressure for people to conform...I've read something that governments oppress spiritual individualism because they fear the power of people coming together or the power of the spirit itself...
It's good to be rational but sometimes it's like "do we have to be rational" to be accepted in this society?
Reality is complex but to me religion is far more complex....
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
But what about Laveyan Satanism, why have a moral code or even a Bible if you are trying to get away from the hypocricy of organized religion?
One can have a moral code without being religious. Your statement, though a common yet incorrect thought, has philosophers rolling over in their graves.
edited to add: I don't believe in satan or the simplistic idea that evil is a force outsides of ourselves.
The Satanic Bible wasn't written to dictate, but rather serve as a forum for introducing and outlining a certain line of thought and attitude about humanity. If somebody studies TSB for what type of person they should be, they're not a Satanist. If you're down with it, awesome, come join the party. If not, then that's fine. If you're a shit disturber... your own masochism will destroy you (a hint as to why curses and hexes work).
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by Favenris
No problem, but these metaphors and stuff can be a bit confusing. For me, worshiping myself is by taking care of myself and the people that I love. That's all. No divine existence or any of that spiritual crap. :D
i do tend to take things litterally. "worship" was one.
but yeah. i aggree. you live only once. look to your own survival first (which is one of the "satanic" "guidelines" also, haha)
i often wonder tho, how would wars work, if everyone was an atheist? how many would be willing to throw themselves head first into danger and death, if no afterlife awaited them? theres NO fucking way im sacrificing myself for anybody or anything. i'd rather live on in total post-apocallyptic mayhem, than sacrifice myself to stop it.
I think in some ways you're right, but if no one believed in more than this then humanity would be highly depressed. Religion could be a form of survival mechanism...
it sure is.
the vast majority of people abhor complexity. reality is complex. religion is simple.
how do you explain how earth came to be, in a scientific way?
youll spend hours explaining the details.
through religion? "it came to be!"
people prefer the short version. and i dont mean just stories and explanations, but things such as afterlife, fate and so on.
and i know some religions are comparatively complex, but they fade in comparison to chemistry and physics whatever religion one pick to compare.
religions were vital to humanity in the past, because it constituted the only knowledge we had about our universe. now that we know the real universe, we're stuck w the ancient knowledge right behind the new. and its unavoidable by nature.
i even imagine that atheism and "rationalism" could vanish completely again, humans arent "headed" anywhere, nothing is planned, for all we know, all the science we have gathered will one day be considered heresy. i read that many places in usa its allready considered "risky" to be an atheist, to be rational, cus people will shun you.
I think that the last statement could go both ways. If you could prove something supernatural or paranormal then others would call you lunatic or highly criticize you...it's almost as if the people with nothing to prove are the ones who get credit. Like Sylvia Browne. It's made to be obviously fake...if it was believed to be true she'd be questioned. We think it doesn't happen today but I think there is a lot of religious pressure for people to conform...I've read something that governments oppress spiritual individualism because they fear the power of people coming together or the power of the spirit itself...
It's good to be rational but sometimes it's like "do we have to be rational" to be accepted in this society?
Reality is complex but to me religion is far more complex....
i talk about complexity in a logical manner. no ammount of giant turtles with worlds on its back, no ammount of hindu-deity intrigues can compare to quantum physics if you actually look into it.
try to explain the reality using religion <---takes the time it takes to read up a creation story
try to explain reality using science <---takes the years it takes to learn everything about quantum physics PLUS we dont even know half of it yet. we dont know WHY galaxies rotate, but thanx to their rotation, we exist. so far, no religion tries to explain why galaxies rotate, i suspect its:
Too much info
"you talk too much" "you think too much" "my head's gonna burst"
people just dont want to know
they prefer that the galaxy rotates cus god makes it rotate, and they prefer even more if the galaxy didnt rotate in the first place (too many details to remember)
same with xenophobia and racism, its too much complexity to remember that all cultures have the same variation of people as everywhere else. its much easyer to imagine one culture as bad, another one as insane, etc.
"If you let anybody know that I've been a bit teary-eyed today... I will murder you."
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by Favenris
No problem, but these metaphors and stuff can be a bit confusing. For me, worshiping myself is by taking care of myself and the people that I love. That's all. No divine existence or any of that spiritual crap. :D
i do tend to take things litterally. "worship" was one.
but yeah. i aggree. you live only once. look to your own survival first (which is one of the "satanic" "guidelines" also, haha)
i often wonder tho, how would wars work, if everyone was an atheist? how many would be willing to throw themselves head first into danger and death, if no afterlife awaited them? theres NO fucking way im sacrificing myself for anybody or anything. i'd rather live on in total post-apocallyptic mayhem, than sacrifice myself to stop it.
I think in some ways you're right, but if no one believed in more than this then humanity would be highly depressed. Religion could be a form of survival mechanism...
it sure is.
the vast majority of people abhor complexity. reality is complex. religion is simple.
how do you explain how earth came to be, in a scientific way?
youll spend hours explaining the details.
through religion? "it came to be!"
people prefer the short version. and i dont mean just stories and explanations, but things such as afterlife, fate and so on.
and i know some religions are comparatively complex, but they fade in comparison to chemistry and physics whatever religion one pick to compare.
religions were vital to humanity in the past, because it constituted the only knowledge we had about our universe. now that we know the real universe, we're stuck w the ancient knowledge right behind the new. and its unavoidable by nature.
i even imagine that atheism and "rationalism" could vanish completely again, humans arent "headed" anywhere, nothing is planned, for all we know, all the science we have gathered will one day be considered heresy. i read that many places in usa its allready considered "risky" to be an atheist, to be rational, cus people will shun you.
I think that the last statement could go both ways. If you could prove something supernatural or paranormal then others would call you lunatic or highly criticize you...it's almost as if the people with nothing to prove are the ones who get credit. Like Sylvia Browne. It's made to be obviously fake...if it was believed to be true she'd be questioned. We think it doesn't happen today but I think there is a lot of religious pressure for people to conform...I've read something that governments oppress spiritual individualism because they fear the power of people coming together or the power of the spirit itself...
It's good to be rational but sometimes it's like "do we have to be rational" to be accepted in this society?
Reality is complex but to me religion is far more complex....
i talk about complexity in a logical manner. no ammount of giant turtles with worlds on its back, no ammount of hindu-deity intrigues can compare to quantum physics if you actually look into it.
try to explain the reality using religion <---takes the time it takes to read up a creation story
try to explain reality using science <---takes the years it takes to learn everything about quantum physics PLUS we dont even know half of it yet. we dont know WHY galaxies rotate, but thanx to their rotation, we exist. so far, no religion tries to explain why galaxies rotate, i suspect its:
Too much info
"you talk too much" "you think too much" "my head's gonna burst"
people just dont want to know
they prefer that the galaxy rotates cus god makes it rotate, and they prefer even more if the galaxy didnt rotate in the first place (too many details to remember)
same with xenophobia and racism, its too much complexity to remember that all cultures have the same variation of people as everywhere else. its much easyer to imagine one culture as bad, another one as insane, etc.
Quantum Physics is an area I would like to study. I imagine you could include the unexplainable within science if science could conceptualize it better...so newer sciences are really the way to go. Haha but any science will take years to understand and of course once you commit to science you are always learning more.
Does Quantum physics include a lot of math? What would you recommend to start off with?
Originally posted by Favenris
The Satanic Bible wasn't written to dictate, but rather serve as a forum for introducing and outlining a certain line of thought and attitude about humanity. If somebody studies TSB for what type of person they should be, they're not a Satanist. If you're down with it, awesome, come join the party. If not, then that's fine. If you're a shit disturber... your own masochism will destroy you (a hint as to why curses and hexes work).
curses and hexes work through intent. Intention magnifies our thoughts. I do agree that we create our own Gods and Demons....I do not think Satanism is right for me. Main reason: there are rules and "sins" there are moral codes where there should be none. We should depend on ourselves. THAT is carnal nature. And humans are NOT ineherently wicked, that's a Christian teaching...you know? It's like a lot of philosophies that could apply to only certain people. like for instance you say "shit disturber" you know radicals have made positive impact too. It's too...confusing.
Just read the title and nothing else;
Give Satan an inch and he will be your ruler.
Good old Sunday School doctrine. Might as well have been drilled into me by hypnopaedia.
I would call Satan the protagonist of the Bible, but I would not call a fictional hero a lord.
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by creepedoutgirl
Originally posted by ZEGH8578
Originally posted by Favenris
No problem, but these metaphors and stuff can be a bit confusing. For me, worshiping myself is by taking care of myself and the people that I love. That's all. No divine existence or any of that spiritual crap. :D
i do tend to take things litterally. "worship" was one.
but yeah. i aggree. you live only once. look to your own survival first (which is one of the "satanic" "guidelines" also, haha)
i often wonder tho, how would wars work, if everyone was an atheist? how many would be willing to throw themselves head first into danger and death, if no afterlife awaited them? theres NO fucking way im sacrificing myself for anybody or anything. i'd rather live on in total post-apocallyptic mayhem, than sacrifice myself to stop it.
I think in some ways you're right, but if no one believed in more than this then humanity would be highly depressed. Religion could be a form of survival mechanism...
it sure is.
the vast majority of people abhor complexity. reality is complex. religion is simple.
how do you explain how earth came to be, in a scientific way?
youll spend hours explaining the details.
through religion? "it came to be!"
people prefer the short version. and i dont mean just stories and explanations, but things such as afterlife, fate and so on.
and i know some religions are comparatively complex, but they fade in comparison to chemistry and physics whatever religion one pick to compare.
religions were vital to humanity in the past, because it constituted the only knowledge we had about our universe. now that we know the real universe, we're stuck w the ancient knowledge right behind the new. and its unavoidable by nature.
i even imagine that atheism and "rationalism" could vanish completely again, humans arent "headed" anywhere, nothing is planned, for all we know, all the science we have gathered will one day be considered heresy. i read that many places in usa its allready considered "risky" to be an atheist, to be rational, cus people will shun you.
I think that the last statement could go both ways. If you could prove something supernatural or paranormal then others would call you lunatic or highly criticize you...it's almost as if the people with nothing to prove are the ones who get credit. Like Sylvia Browne. It's made to be obviously fake...if it was believed to be true she'd be questioned. We think it doesn't happen today but I think there is a lot of religious pressure for people to conform...I've read something that governments oppress spiritual individualism because they fear the power of people coming together or the power of the spirit itself...
It's good to be rational but sometimes it's like "do we have to be rational" to be accepted in this society?
Reality is complex but to me religion is far more complex....
i talk about complexity in a logical manner. no ammount of giant turtles with worlds on its back, no ammount of hindu-deity intrigues can compare to quantum physics if you actually look into it.
try to explain the reality using religion <---takes the time it takes to read up a creation story
try to explain reality using science <---takes the years it takes to learn everything about quantum physics PLUS we dont even know half of it yet. we dont know WHY galaxies rotate, but thanx to their rotation, we exist. so far, no religion tries to explain why galaxies rotate, i suspect its:
Too much info
"you talk too much" "you think too much" "my head's gonna burst"
people just dont want to know
they prefer that the galaxy rotates cus god makes it rotate, and they prefer even more if the galaxy didnt rotate in the first place (too many details to remember)
same with xenophobia and racism, its too much complexity to remember that all cultures have the same variation of people as everywhere else. its much easyer to imagine one culture as bad, another one as insane, etc.
Quantum Physics is an area I would like to study. I imagine you could include the unexplainable within science if science could conceptualize it better...so newer sciences are really the way to go. Haha but any science will take years to understand and of course once you commit to science you are always learning more.
Does Quantum physics include a lot of math? What would you recommend to start off with?
i never studied quantum in depth or in school, just go with your curiousity. learn what you want to learn about.
i focus on reality, while others focus on dreams and stories.
by focusing on reality, i'd say start simple:
learn about yourself :]
learn about countires and cultures
learn about animals and plants
learn about the body, evolution, cellular biology
learn about molecules and chemistry, why atoms behave as they do
learn about space, stars, why do stars shine? i know why they shine :)
learn about physics and quantum, to learn what exactly atoms are.
"If you let anybody know that I've been a bit teary-eyed today... I will murder you."
Satanism is not about worshiping the Devil, it is simply about following yourself, being yourself, not a God, YOURSELF.
The Pentacle
is simply to represent personal identity
Notice that the five points on the pentagram correspond to the five senses of [wo]man, and [wo]man's extremities, encircled by the Soul which is the 6th sense. The top of the pentagram is a triad which represents the connection to the ethereal realm, or "the cosmos," When the pentagram is inverted this characterizes OUR FALL, As Lucifer who was cast down from the cosmos, into the form of human beings. We are the aliens that formed from bacteria on a nearby planet, known to the ancients as Lucifer, a planet whose surface attempted to outshine the sun, at some point this planet overtook the sun and exploded, falling to the earth, from which suddenly you have parables of the fall of Man, and a major evolutionary step from ape to man, not to mention the crater that killed off the dinosaurs,
Jen and I believe that the surface of this planet may have been made natural glass, a quartz of some sort and possibly water which would be highly reflective when the light shined upon it, however, it was not the sun, it could not maintain it's own heat or provide it's own light source, it was a "faux god" which is where all the parables of Lucifer being the most beautiful of the "angels" (which would be the planets and stars in the cosmos) and the attempt to overthrow "god" or Aten as the egyptian pharaoh Ahkenatan named the solar disc of the sun.
Originally posted by saklas
Originally posted by Favenris
You said you were looking for a religion... why not worship yourself and read religious texts of all kind and extract that which is gold for you and ignore the rest?
Well said my friend.
I think the most important thing to realize is that we are all god, quite litterally.
I don't know where any type of "Worship" would be benificial. Unless you are worshiping a fat cock then it's all worth it, but I digress
I agree we are all gods with little g's and Osirian Obelisks.
The Pentagram is more a symbol of love anyway...
The only reason I don't run my mouth and ridicule LaVey's perception of Satanism is because it's "teachings" are regurgitation of a basic understanding of human instincts and common habitual behaviors of the species. The only thing that bothers me is that he doesn't point it out, the illusion being created that he came up with all these answers for man, himself. How wondrous it would be to come across a religion that told me how I secretly feel, and that I don't have to withhold what occurs naturally, although blind to me! This is exactly why I considered myself a Satanist for a few years; I knew nothing of sociobiology. I got warped into the idea that this man knew what he was talking about because he was on some higher plane of understanding the cosmos than the rest of us, when in reality he likely just read a few science books.
In that light, you could very well read science books and reach the same bodily outcome of Satanism. (Relatively.)
I'm often told I'm very Satanic, though personally I consider myself an atheist. I can imagine how similarities can be seen because as an "educated/scientific" atheist, I don't see a need for a standard religious book of moral code, because there isn't a need for one biologically. I behave without guilt from religion/spirituality/etc, so my instincts often win the battle at ease. Therefore, it's probably easy to perceive me as a defined Satanist without me even trying.
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