If Manson is going to drink beer on stage for our entertainment,shouldn't he be drinking Coors Light the "Silver Bullet"?
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¶ Sunday, August 16th, 2009 - 22:09:21
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I° - Whisperers & Night Specters¶ Monday, August 17th, 2009 - 08:19:24Finally back in front of the internet. The show was unbelievable, and so many people. The lines stretched on forever. Thank God for early entry passes.
As to the concert, there was nothing subpar from where we were (in hands reach of Manson). He even handed us one of the beers he drank from!
The performances were all spot on. And, the interludes with the stagecrew could not have been more obviously intentioned. These were not necessities to replenish a withering Manson. He rocked every minute.
Also, from where we were, we never saw a single person 'clear out' after Slayer. And, of course, as always, the GA Pit crowd was far more energetic during Manson's set.
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¶ Monday, August 17th, 2009 - 08:39:42
Originally posted by NK
i think a very large point that a lot of people are missing is that the interludes of receiving oxygen and pills are deliberately (and kind of obviously) aspects of the show itself, reflecting the filmic nature of the album and era. ie - between the takes. the stage hand using the clapperboard to signify the begininning of the song i think should really drive this point home for the audience. the movie lights on stage likewise should amply illustrate this visual device of the stage show.
Yeah, this. People that don't get it, don't WANT to get it, I guess. It's quite obvious, if you aren't retarded ;)
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I° - Whisperers & Night Specters¶ Monday, August 17th, 2009 - 15:13:01This show was amazing, however I must say that the performance he did the night before in San Antonio was far more superior. I may be biased considering SA is my home town, but I truly felt that he put on a more energetic performance over here. Plus he gave us the whole "I'm pretty sure I was concieved in San Antonio" speech ;)
Regardless, I have no regrets for making the 5 hour trip to see him a second night in a row. Truly made for one fucking amazing weekend.
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¶ Monday, August 17th, 2009 - 15:49:27
Originally posted by hottbott
If Manson is going to drink beer on stage for our entertainment,shouldn't he be drinking Coors Light the "Silver Bullet"?
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¶ Tuesday, August 18th, 2009 - 14:28:05
The show was a fairly good one. Manson was energetic with brilliant vocals, and the band's instruments screamed with vitriol. I do wish he'd tap into his older stage presence a bit -- with the poses and all. It'd help the performance out a lot, to see Manson limply dangle his arm or throw one up at an intense moment in a song. Too often would he simply wander uncomfortably around the stage, looking something to do; and then, when all else failed, he'd perform to someone off-stage, which was, as someone on the rail, not something I appreciated a whole lot.
He could also stand to spend a little more on his props: I have to say, he was a bit outclassed in that department as well. Even his version of "pyro" was sadly outshone.
Killswitch Engage easily got the biggest reaction out of the fans, though, stealing the show with their (frankly) mundane music and showmanship (I'm still not sure how). Bullet for My Valentine was surprisingly good. Doesn't help that I had a hard-on for the singer.
The crowd was in to Slayer for all of six minutes; then the surging and roaring stopped, as if the audience were merely humoring the unintelligible and boringly predictable thrash metal band of years ago. I know I certainly was.
This was my first Manson festival show -- and it was not nearly as good as the 2008 leg of the Rape of the World Tour. I can only hope Manson brings to the table what he did last year on his solo tour; because that was incredible.
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¶ Wednesday, August 19th, 2009 - 22:52:17
Originally posted by coma.
^It should, but it doesn't.
Exactly. The queue cards, the stage lights, the banners all make sense. The use of the flag, the use of hats and the knife mic make sense. Stabbing a bottle of beer or the queue cards makes sense.
But coming out on stage, in spot talking to a stage hand, getting oxygen or props while in full audience view doesn't. The vibe of the show seemed to lull there. As I said, it's like "breaking the fourth wall". It's like a dead pause, as if the show hits a brick wall and takes a bit of pace to kick back up.
I've attended Manson shows since 98 and have seen every Dallas stop since, I would say that I've seen the majority of the act and props and other costumes used over the past 11 years since the Mechanical Animals Tour. There was an energy there that carried over between sets. It wasn't felt the other night to me. Even the two times I saw the band @ Ozzfest, the act lived up to what he was trying to convey.
Those who think the oxygen was part of the act, sound to me like apologists. Manson is getting old. None of us want to see it, but it's a fact of life. 10 years ago, a Manson show was a show to see, my friends and other acquaintances who'd seen Manson, even once, felt it was one of the best shows they'd attended for the theatrics alone. Speaking to my friends afterward, we all had a similar experience from the show; it was not there. Something was missing. Even last year's show with the Rape of the World Tour I ranked up there as the 2nd best I'd seen. But something happened in the year and a half since then.
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¶ Thursday, August 20th, 2009 - 01:31:07
Originally posted by SithJedi
Those who think the oxygen was part of the act, sound to me like apologists. Manson is getting old. None of us want to see it, but it's a fact of life. 10 years ago, a Manson show was a show to see, my friends and other acquaintances who'd seen Manson, even once, felt it was one of the best shows they'd attended for the theatrics alone. Speaking to my friends afterward, we all had a similar experience from the show; it was not there. Something was missing. Even last year's show with the Rape of the World Tour I ranked up there as the 2nd best I'd seen. But something happened in the year and a half since then.
Seriously, Shut the fuck up. Manson has taken oxygen since probably 1996. Maybe earlier. Just seriously, Shut. Up. 40 is not old. Is Ozzy still rocking? Kiss? Hm. 40? Not old.
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¶ Thursday, August 20th, 2009 - 02:22:38
Those who think the oxygen was part of the act, sound to me like apologists. Manson is getting old. None of us want to see it, but it's a fact of life. 10 years ago, a Manson show was a show to see, my friends and other acquaintances who'd seen Manson, even once, felt it was one of the best shows they'd attended for the theatrics alone. Speaking to my friends afterward, we all had a similar experience from the show; it was not there. Something was missing. Even last year's show with the Rape of the World Tour I ranked up there as the 2nd best I'd seen. But something happened in the year and a half since then.
Is there? Is there really something missing? Because if that's the case than I'd rather revolve in my nostalgia, back in the good old days.
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¶ Thursday, August 20th, 2009 - 19:05:53
Originally posted by LunaticNapolean
Originally posted by SithJedi
Those who think the oxygen was part of the act, sound to me like apologists. Manson is getting old. None of us want to see it, but it's a fact of life. 10 years ago, a Manson show was a show to see, my friends and other acquaintances who'd seen Manson, even once, felt it was one of the best shows they'd attended for the theatrics alone. Speaking to my friends afterward, we all had a similar experience from the show; it was not there. Something was missing. Even last year's show with the Rape of the World Tour I ranked up there as the 2nd best I'd seen. But something happened in the year and a half since then.
Seriously, Shut the fuck up. Manson has taken oxygen since probably 1996. Maybe earlier. Just seriously, Shut. Up. 40 is not old. Is Ozzy still rocking? Kiss? Hm. 40? Not old.
I''ll be the adult here and keep it civilized. I'm aware of the use of oxygen, but was done backstage as is expected or while not in the lights with the lights down.
Actors don't present their faults to their audiences. Manson has done far better performances than what I saw at Mayhem. The substance abuse is taking hold and it showed in the performance. That's not the Manson I became a fan of. Now he's becoming a shell of his former self, what he always protested against becoming. Is this the way he wants to take his art? It is depressing.
No, 40 is not old. We also don't know what else he's subjecting his body too. Is Ozzy still performing? Was there an Ozzfest this year? That's what I thought.
I didn't leave the show impressed. I didn't feel that Manson did his best. I've seen Manson at his prime, at his peak which began to fizzle after the "Against All Gods" Tour. Manson has changed, and sadly it doesn't seem for the better.
I conjure you Barron, Satan, Beezlebub, by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. By the Virgin Mary and all the saints to appear in person so that you may speak to us and fulfill our desires. Come at my bidding and I might grant you whatever you want, however vile, at the containing of my life.
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¶ Friday, August 21st, 2009 - 01:31:47
Originally posted by SithJedi
Originally posted by LunaticNapolean
Originally posted by SithJedi
Those who think the oxygen was part of the act, sound to me like apologists. Manson is getting old. None of us want to see it, but it's a fact of life. 10 years ago, a Manson show was a show to see, my friends and other acquaintances who'd seen Manson, even once, felt it was one of the best shows they'd attended for the theatrics alone. Speaking to my friends afterward, we all had a similar experience from the show; it was not there. Something was missing. Even last year's show with the Rape of the World Tour I ranked up there as the 2nd best I'd seen. But something happened in the year and a half since then.
Seriously, Shut the fuck up. Manson has taken oxygen since probably 1996. Maybe earlier. Just seriously, Shut. Up. 40 is not old. Is Ozzy still rocking? Kiss? Hm. 40? Not old.
I''ll be the adult here and keep it civilized. I'm aware of the use of oxygen, but was done backstage as is expected or while not in the lights with the lights down.
Actors don't present their faults to their audiences. Manson has done far better performances than what I saw at Mayhem. The substance abuse is taking hold and it showed in the performance. That's not the Manson I became a fan of. Now he's becoming a shell of his former self, what he always protested against becoming. Is this the way he wants to take his art? It is depressing.
No, 40 is not old. We also don't know what else he's subjecting his body too. Is Ozzy still performing? Was there an Ozzfest this year? That's what I thought.
I didn't leave the show impressed. I didn't feel that Manson did his best. I've seen Manson at his prime, at his peak which began to fizzle after the "Against All Gods" Tour. Manson has changed, and sadly it doesn't seem for the better.
Manson needing oxygen is a fault? Seriously? Wow. As for him doing it onstage, what IF there is NO backstage? A lot of bands to supply a backstage room for...And as it's been stated a million fucking times for you 'tards, it's part of the show. Don't like it? Get over it. You didn't have to go. I didn't go.
Did Ozzy stop performing at 40? That's what I thought. Plus, kiss, Poison, etc. are still on tour so suck that too.
....Against All Gods? Really? I thought after the Guns, Gods, and Government it was over. Grotesk to the Eat Me Drink Me tour was the worse time. And it APPEARS to be because he was always intoxicated on absinthe, so
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I° - Whisperers & Night Specters¶ Monday, August 24th, 2009 - 22:58:10Hm, I really don't know who to quote seeing as how so many people are addressing this, but yes, the use of oxygen in the center of the stage was an act. I saw him the night before in San Antonio and he did the same thing, at the same time that night as well.
However, I also did see him taking it routinely at the side of the stage as well.
I'm not arguing either side though. The man takes oxygen, big whoop. If that's what kept him active the way he was then good for him. And like someone else said, he'd been doing that for years anyway.
Blah, I loved both performances I got to see. That's that.
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¶ Tuesday, August 25th, 2009 - 21:49:03
Originally posted by SithJedi
Actors don't present their faults to their audiences. Manson has done far better performances than what I saw at Mayhem. The substance abuse is taking hold and it showed in the performance. That's not the Manson I became a fan of. Now he's becoming a shell of his former self, what he always protested against becoming. Is this the way he wants to take his art? It is depressing.
What Manson did you become a fan of? You are a joke.
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